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Ministry vs. Discipleship
Posted by Todd Engstrom in discipleship, leadership, pastoring on October 16, 2010
My friend Sean Eppers posted some content on the Woodlands Point Pastor’s blog that Tyler David and I did on “Ministry vs. Discipleship” for one of our staff meetings awhile ago. Below is a sample:
| Ministry | Discipleship |
| Reactive | Proactive |
| Ministry tends to involve a much lower level of relational investment, and for both parties there is a relative degree of anonymity | Discipleship requires a high degree of vulnerability for both parties |
| Meets immediate, felt needs | Transforms lives and success is replication |
| Often times leads to immediate results and draws crowds | Often painstakingly slow and difficult with one step forward and two steps back |
You can find the rest here. Thanks for posting Sean!
Discipleship and Ministry | Part 2
Posted by Todd Engstrom in discipleship, pastoring on September 11, 2009

For my initial thoughts on the challenges of remaining faithful to discipleship in the midst of ministry, go here. I’d like to expand a little more fully on my thoughts from the last post.
In brief, I’ve found that it can be extremely difficult to continually cultivate the centrality of discipleship, or the process of selectively investing a small number of individuals in order to teach obedience to what Jesus taught (Matthew 28:18-20), in the face of increasing demands of ministry, or meeting the immediate physical and spiritual needs of individuals as you encounter them.
The question to ask, I think, is why is it difficult? Why is it so tough to remain faithful to the model of discipleship which Jesus demonstrates? Here’s a couple reasons:
- Ministry often times leads to immediate results and draws crowds (for examples from Luke, see Jesus casting out demons, Jesus healing people, and Jesus’ miracles).
- Discipleship often is painstakingly slow and difficult with one step forward and two steps back (Peter confesses Jesus as the Christ, then immediately denies him, and the disciples making mistakes).
- Ministry tends to involve a much lower level of relational investment, and for both parties there is a relative degree of anonymity (crowds don’t know who Jesus is).
- Discipleship requires a high degree of vulnerability for both parties (Jesus weeps in front of his disciples).
Both types of investment in people are important (see Pauls discussion about he and Apollos in 1 Corinthians 3), but the two are designed for the purpose creating multiplying disciples who participate in the Great Commission.
Ministry needs to have an end in discipleship (the public ministry of Jesus reaches its pinnacle in Luke with Peter’s confession that Jesus is the Christ), and discipleship utilizes ministry for teaching (Jesus had his disciples observing most of his public ministry) and as an entry point into relational investment for discipleship (Jesus teaches and performs miracles before calling his disciples).
I find in myself, however, that the design of what I am calling ministry often is easiest to default because it offers quick successes and I can remain fairly distant from those to whom I am ministering. The process of discipleship is exhausting, inconvenient, and difficult, which make it so much easier to simply enjoy the fruits of ministry (just like the seventy-two after returning from Jesus assigned task) rather than labor with love toward replication.
I am thankful, however, that Jesus did not simply minister to the crowds, but instead remained faithful to the twelve, because the movement of the Gospel hinged so much on their faithfulness to replicating disciples. You don’t hear much throughout the rest of the New Testament about the crowds or those whom Jesus did something miraculous, but the disciples were at the epicenter of the movement of the Holy Spirit.
Let us remain faithful to a few, while ministering to many, in hopes that God would redeem and renew all things!
Discipleship and Ministry
Posted by Todd Engstrom in christianity, discipleship, leadership on August 21, 2009

I’ve been spending some time lately reflecting on my ministry and the coming season. As my role has continued to change and our church has continued to grow, the pressures have changed and my time is increasingly spoken for. In addition, it seems like there is always a person or a task that needs immediate attention.
The ministry of Jesus and Paul have been speaking wisdom to me lately in the difference between discipleship and ministry. Although both men spent copious amounts of time ministering to both the masses and individuals alike, they never departed from a focused investment in a small group of men. I am noticing in myself the ease with which I get lost in ministry–the crowds crowd out my discipleship.
The conclusion for me has been, at bare minimum, I need to be investing in a small group of people on a weekly basis, and inviting those individuals more frequently into my life and ministry. The commitment to discipling a group, and not simply leading several ministries, provides for me accountability, as well as a continued perspective to the challenges our body faces in pursuing the vision God has given us.
God’s word to me has been this: don’t let ministry replace discipleship–it’s the road to failure.
Manhood | Matt Adair
Posted by Todd Engstrom in discipleship on August 19, 2009

I just watched Matt Adair’s talk from the Fight Club 09 conference, and thought it was an excellent sermon on corrections to our perspective of Jesus and biblical manhood.
I’d encourage you to give it a listen:
http://www.fightclub09.com/home/medi/
It is session #4.
Discipleship | Repost Set 2
Posted by Todd Engstrom in discipleship on July 24, 2009
As I’m on vacation, I’m reposting some links to things I have written in the past on this blog. Below are links to the series I wrote on Discipleship:
- Part 1 – Foundations of Discipleship
- Part 2 – Practice of Discipleship
- Part 3 – Process of Discipleship 1
- Part 4 – Process of Discipleship 2
- Part 5 – Tools I Use
If you have good resources on Discipleship, let me know in the comments!


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