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The Church and The Surprising Offense of God’s Love
Posted by Todd Engstrom in church, pastoring, theology on May 11, 2010

I’ve been reading The Church and the Surprising Offense of God’s Love by Jonathan Leeman, and although I’ve had some disagreements with the book, it has been an excellent read. I wanted to share a few quotes that have been particularly challenging for me.
Below is a good challenge to teaching “community” as the solution to our problems in the church rather than the gospel:
When the theologian or pastor talks the talk of relationship and community rather than the talk of obedience and holiness, he just might be hawking a postmodern prosperity gospel. The poor man’s prosperity gospel is: “Never mind all that stuff about obedience and holiness; Jesus wants to make you rich and happy!” But many of us today in the West are rich. We don’t need the poor man’s prosperity gospel. Rather, we suffer from ennui, angst, and media overload. The relationships we do have are shallow and unsatisfying, so the intellectual sophisticate offers a postmodern prosperity gospel instead: “Never mind all that stuff about obedience and holiness; Jesus will give you relationships, purpose, community.
Next, some thoughts regarding the degradation of external authority, and the true problem of individualism:
I do not believe that the communitarian proposal provides any true antidote to individualism and its corollaries such as consumerism. They argue that community is the antidote to individualism. It’s not, which brings us to one of the central themes of this book: the real problem is anti-authority-ism. At the risk of sounding like the late modernist Friedrich Nietzsche or the radical postmodernist Michel Foucault, it’s all about power. At the risk of sounding like a fundamentalist Sunday school teacher, it’s all about disobedience. Some contemporary writers get this; others don’t. It’s not quite enough to say that the problem of modernity was individualism, because the term is too vague. The problem bequeathed by Descartes and everyone of his ilk is more accurately described as autonomous individualism—auto-nomos meaning “self law”—where we’re letting the adjective, not the noun, do the real work of making our point. The solution to individualism is not community. The solution—one fears to say it without pages of qualifications—is to reintroduce a conception of submission to God’s revealed will as it’s located in the local church. The campaign that Western culture has been waging for several centuries for the individual has been a campaign waged against all forms of authority. From elementary school through graduate school, Western educators have taught us to question authority: the authority of the church because of what it did to Galileo; the authority of the king because of his usurpations; the authority of the majority because of its tyrannies; the authority of males because of their exercise of brute strength and acts of oppression; the authority of the Bible because of its alleged contradictions; the authority of science because of its paradigm shifts; the authority of philosophy because of its language games; the authority of language because it has been deconstructed; the authority of parents because they’re not cool; the authority of the market because of its extravagant inequalities; the authority of the police because of their fire hoses and night sticks; the authority of religious leaders because they’ll make us drink the Kool-Aid; the authority of the media because of its biases; the authority of superpowers because of their imperialism. Are there any authorities left to question? When it comes to what we should believe and how we should live, a ubiquitous suspicion of authority lurks in the minds of most Westerners today, in part because we’re familiar with authority’s savage history of abuses.
With respect the previous thoughts, below is the solution Leeman proposes:
The solution to individualism is not community. The solution—one fears to say it without pages of qualifications—is to reintroduce a conception of submission to God’s revealed will as it’s located in the local church.
His basic argument is that submission the the local church is essential to the nature of biblical community which rightly reflects God’s glory in the world. We simply cannot reject authority in favor of egalitarian community because it undercuts the very nature and character of God. This book has been an excellent balance to many of the other books I have been reading as of late.
Finally, in an unrelated note, I found this quote to be helpful in articulating a God-centered view of the value of human life:
What’s interesting to notice in the Genesis 9 passage cited above is why human life is described as “precious”: “Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image” (v. 6). The preciousness of human life, it seems, is found entirely in the fact that humans image God. Our worth is derivative. It’s derived from the one we image. Killing a human is wrong not because God loves us more than anything, but because he loves his own glory more than anything.
A Gospel-Centered Reader | Timmy Brister
Posted by Todd Engstrom in church, gospel, links on September 20, 2009
I stumbled across this resource a couple of weeks ago, but neglected to post it…the link below is an excellent compilation of Gospel-centered resources from Timmy Brister. Give it a look!
Timmy also just posted a links to Soma Community’s resources of “Living Inside the Gospel Story” here. I’m planning on doing some survey of the material this week, but let me know your thoughts!
Multisite Church | Christian Standard Interview
Posted by Todd Engstrom in assimilation, church, megachurch, missional on August 31, 2009
If you have been interested in the multisite discussion as a missional church, then I’d recommend reading the article below. Todd Wilson does a great job of highlighting the upside of multisite planting, and a holistic perspective on how it fits with church planting strategy.
Christian Standard Interview – Todd Wilson on Multisite
I think the theory of the article is spot on, but there is one key phrase in the article that a church must wrestle with:
If you take anything less than a very healthy process, whether it’s your children’s process, newcomer assimilation process, worship process—any process you have—when you copy it, if it’s unhealthy, it may become even more unhealthy than the original. On the one hand, your church might be growing rapidly beyond the current capacity of your leadership and systems. On top of that, you may be copying less than vibrant and healthy processes and systems. The result can be sideways energy that further slows you down.
The key to a successful multisite launch will be the health of your existing organization, which is a good motivation to do some deep assessment prior to launching.
Great thoughts to consider!
Book Review | Total Church
Posted by Todd Engstrom in books, church, missional, theology on August 17, 2009

The second book I read over my vacation was Total Church: A Radical Reshaping around Gospel and Community by Steve Timmis and Tim Chester.
The overall perspective of the book is applying to the church the two foundational principles of gospel and community. As a short synopsis, it is an excellent basic theology primer coupled with an application into a decentralized, organic multiplying church movement in theory and practice. It packs a lot of punch for such a small book!
Here’s the table of contents:
- Part 1: Gospel and community in principle
- Why gospel?
- Why community?
- Part 2: Gospel and community in practice
- Evangelism
- Social involvement
- Church planting
- World mission
- Discipleship and training
- Pastoral care
- Spirituality
- Theology
- Apologetics
- Children and young people
- Success
Total Church was an excellent read from cover to cover, and chock full of material that is very useful for the theology and practice of gospel-centered missional communities. Below are a few points that I found particularly beneficial from the book.
First, the book is an excellent, balanced correction for the professionalization of ministry and calling for the participatory nature of the body of Christ. This case is made on several fronts, from developing leaders to planting churches to pastoral care. Perhaps the best view of this comes in the chapter on pastoral care, and the championing of the community as the best place for counseling, even in some very difficult issues. They make the basic argument that great damage has been done to the community of believers with the over-prescription of individualistically focused professional counseling. In removing counseling from gospel community, you are removing elements of accountability, but also relationships which provide the necessary support for enduring through difficulty.
Secondly, I thoroughly enjoyed the chapter on evangelism, and particularly the role of the gospel community as a validation of the truth claims of Scripture. They do an excellent job (although with somewhat cheesy illustrations) of demonstrating the power of the gospel community in contextualized evangelism, and the many weaknesses of more individualistic methodologies. Succinctly, they argue that the declaration of the gospel in word makes infinitely more sense as the gospel is demonstrated in the practice of a gospel-centered community.
Timmis and Chester also do an excellent job in the chapter on social involvement of instructing on the supremacy of the gospel word in gospel deed ministry. In working through issues of justice and mercy, they continually exalt highly the truth of the gospel and champion maintaining the centrality of the gospel word in this kind of ministry. I think what struck me so much about the chapter is that they do not diminish the importance of either social engagement or gospel proclamation, while calling clearly for both in proper relation to one another. They simply did not engage the “which one is more important” argument, and the chapter rang refreshing and true.
Finally, the chapter on apologetics contained a very useful synopsis of basic philosophical concepts necessary for presuppositional apologetics, and it applies a gospel lens to answering challenging, but typical questions we often face as believers in the West. I would highly recommend it if you would like to read a brief introduction to some major apologetic themes that will be immensely helpful (think of it is a very short Reason for God).
I would highly recommend that anyone read this book, as it will be beneficial from a variety of different perspectives.
In a post coming soon, I want to compare some of the concepts in Total Church with those in Vintage Church, as they were certainly interesting to read back to back.
Book Review | Vintage Church
Posted by Todd Engstrom in books, church, theology on August 9, 2009

Although it wasn’t the first book I read on vacation, I’m going to start with Vintage Church: Timeless Truths and Timely Methods by Mark Driscoll and Gerry Breshears.
I have grown to thoroughly appreciate the ministry of Mark Driscoll, and am consistently thankful that he preaches the gospel faithfully to his church, as well as faithfully ministering through the international platform that God has given him. This book is the result of his biblical study of ecclesiology and the 10 years of practice in “doing” church at Mars Hill, in response his experience that so many practitioners of church he was surrounded by had very little biblical basis/knowledge of what they were doing.
The book is broken into chapters by a series of questions posed about the nature of the church, from which you can understand the gist of what Driscoll and Breshears are teaching:
- Preface
- What Is the Christian Life?
- What Is a Christian Church?
- Who Is Supposed to Lead a Church?
- Why Is Preaching Important?
- What Are Baptism and Communion?
- How Can a Church Be Unified?
- What Is Church Discipline?
- How Is Love Expressed in a Church?
- What Is a Missional Church?
- What Is a Multi-Campus Church?
- How Can a Church Utilize Technology?
- How Could the Church Help Transform the World?
- Appendix: Sample Church Membership Covenant
The book is essentially a reformed baptist understanding of the mature church (the right preaching of the Word of God, the practice of the ordinances/sacraments of communion and baptism, and the exercise of church discipline under qualified leadership – elders and deacons) applied to our immediate context of American Evangelical Christianity. Toward this end, the book is an excellent synopsis of the theological positions which Mars Hill church has adopted (as well as The Austin Stone, my home church). It is far from comprehensive, however, and if you desire a robust reasoning and biblical defense for the positions, or a historical understanding of the development of these doctrines, you will be left wanting.
There were three particularly helpful sections in the book for me to read. The first, on a practical note, is talking through the concept of first among equals in eldership, and that effective leadership from an elder team requires recognizing unique giftedness of individual elders and the practical leadership within a team of equals. They do an excellent job of fleshing out the nature of positional leadership as an elder, and the varying degrees of influence as an elder, and how the dynamic interplay of positional leadership and influence can easily be skewed in one direction or another. Their model of eldership does a great job of balancing both ideas, and maintaining room for leadership within a peer team.
Secondly, I am tremendously thankful for the practical insight into the development of multicampus church, and their honest presentation of what has and has not worked for Mars Hill. As our body continues to move toward multisite, the chapter within this book will be immensely helpful as we think through leadership structures, technology, and where/when we extend into new campuses. If you are a multicampus church, believe God is moving you toward multicampus, or are simply interested in the practicality of multicampus, then I suggest you read this chapter.
Thirdly, chapters 7, 8, and 9 on unity, discipline and love are an excellent discourse on the essential nature of the body of believers, and the biblical perspective of the local church as a body. I am thankful that they spent as much time working through these issues as they did, because so often the focus on ecclesiological discussions drive toward leadership, government, and sacramental theology. These three chapters together provide a pastoral and practical understanding for everyone in the church as to how the body should function biblically and practically to display Christ’s magnificence to the world around them.
On a final note, I continue to be thankful that everything Driscoll writes includes the Gospel and Christ’s atoning death on the cross. He never fails to hold high this central truth, keeping it rightly at the center of all applied doctrine. He very much understands that what becomes assumed often becomes forgotten, and it is always encouraging he doesn’t assume the Gospel.
Has anyone else read the book? Care to share your thoughts?


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